Remember when anti-vaccine folks used to say that there were no double-blind, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trials for vaccines?
What happened once they realized that there actually were?
They moved the goal posts…
Where are the Saline Placebos?
Okay, they said.
So you have done double-blind, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trials when testing vaccines, but what placebo did you use?
Was it a pure saline placebo?
“Placebo Control – A comparator in a vaccine trial that does not include the antigen under study. In studies of monovalent vaccines this may be an inert placebo (e.g. saline solution or the vehicle of the vaccine), or an antigenically different vaccine. In combined vaccines, this may be a control arm in which the component of the vaccine being studied is lacking.”WHO on the Guidelines on clinical evaluation of vaccines: regulatory expectations
Although no guidelines actually call for using a pure saline placebo, that’s all anti-vaccine folks will accept these days.
That’s their MO – or method of operation.
When one theory or myth gets squashed – they move to another.
They move the goalposts.
It doesn’t matter that there are often ethical and logistical problems with using pure saline placebos, that’s all they want to hear about it.
That they wouldn’t be satisfied and start vaccinating their kids if all vaccine studies started to use saline placebos should be evident when you consider that many vaccine studies have already used saline placebos!
- Year-round influenza immunisation during pregnancy in Nepal: a phase 4, randomised, placebo-controlled trial – “The control group will be placebo (saline injection). The justification for the use of a placebo injection in this trial is as follows: There is only one trial (Bangladesh) that demonstrates efficacy of influenza vaccination in pregnancy on perinatal outcomes and respiratory morbidity in early infancy. One of the issues with that study is that it was not placebo controlled. The “control” in that study was adult pneumococcal vaccine. It could be that the Bangladesh study underestimated the impact of influenza vaccine because the mothers and infants receive some indirect protection from the pneumococcal vaccine. In addition, influenza vaccine is not part of national policy or recommendations in Nepal at the current time and Ministry of Health officials are very interested in the results of our study as they consider their immunization program expansion over the next few years.”
- Protective efficacy of a trivalent recombinant hemagglutinin protein vaccine (FluBlok) against influenza in healthy adults: a randomized, placebo-controlled trial.
- Meningococcal serogroup B-specific responses after vaccination with bivalent rLP2086: 4 year follow-up of a randomised, single-blind, placebo-controlled, phase 2 trial.
- Safety and immunogenicity of single-dose live oral cholera vaccine strain CVD 103-HgR in healthy adults age 18-45.
- Immunogenicity, safety, and tolerability of the measles-vectored chikungunya virus vaccine MV-CHIK: a double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled and active-controlled phase 2 trial.
There are many more vaccine studies that have used saline placebos and like other vaccine studies, have found vaccines to be safe and effective.
But how do you know that they used a real saline placebo and not some kind of saline solution with other stuff in it?
If it isn’t clear to you in the methods section of the study, go to the source – the original clinical trials record and it will be listed there.
What are you going to be worried about now?
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2 thoughts on “Where are the Saline Placebos?”
This guy is a doctor?
Yes, “doctor”, a placebo should be inert. Just because the authorities – who are obviously vaccine proponents – allow vaccine manufacturers to use placebos such as aluminum hydroxide, this doesn’t mean such protocols are ethically sincere or scientifically meaningful.
In fact, it makes a mockery of the scientific method. You wouldn’t tolerate such a farce in connection with vaccine critical science. The fact that you openly cheer it on here is another kind of evidence entirely – and it’s damning.
Unless a saline placebo is used, a study cannot be used to assess safety.