About That Johns Hopkins Protocol of Immunocompromised Kids…
One of the most commonly followed protocols, 2013 IDSA Clinical Practice Guideline for Vaccination of the Immunocompromised Host, was recently published by the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
“Healthy immunocompetent individuals who live in a household with immunocompromised patients should receive the following live vaccines based on the CDC annual schedule: combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines; rotavirus vaccine in infants aged 2–7 months; varicella vaccine (VAR); and zoster vaccine (ZOS). Also, these individuals can safely receive the following vaccines for travel: yellow fever vaccine and oral typhoid vaccine.”
2013 IDSA Clinical Practice Guideline for Vaccination of the Immunocompromised Host
There are also guidelines from the Medical Advisory Committee of the Immune Deficiency Foundation, the ACIP, and the American Academy of Pediatrics.
All of the protocols support kids getting vaccinated and protected, unless they have a medical exemption, and that their contacts get vaccinated and protected.
That’s why it is surprising to hear what Robert F. Kennedy, Jr had to say about the protocol he reviewed from Johns Hopkins.
“So I went to the Johns Hopkins protocols for immunocompromised children. And I read it. And when I read it, it’s a long, dense document, but there’s no place in that entire document that said immunocompromised children should be kept away from unvaccinated children. Do you know what there is? Ah! It says that the real danger to immunocompromised children is vaccinated children, because, whatever you do, don’t let your immunocompromised child near a child who has recently, meaning six weeks, had a chickenpox vaccine. Don’t let your child anywhere near a child who has had a polio vaccine. Or a pertussis vaccine. And that’s the worst one. Because the child with pertussis has no knowledge that he has pertussis. He is an asymptomatic carrier. But he can pass it to your child. And he is more likely to pass it to your child if he is vaccinated!”
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr
Where is this Johns Hopkins protocol that Kennedy read?
Although anyone with a severe immunodeficiency should avoid those who have recently received the oral polio vaccine, that vaccine hasn’t been used in the United States since 2000. Also, you don’t have to avoid folks who have received the chickenpox vaccine, unless they get a rash and it is uncovered. And you certainly don’t have to avoid anyone who has received the pertussis vaccine, as it is not a live vaccine.
The Johns Hopkins Hospital Patient Information Guide does warn those who are immunocompromised to “Tell friends and family who are sick not to visit.”
Who’s more likely to get sick with things like measles, chickenpox, and pertussis?
“The threat of pertussis and other childhood communicable diseases to children with immunodeficiency is particularly alarming. The increased risk of disease in the pediatric population, in part because of increasing rates of vaccine refusal and in some circumstances more rapid loss of immunity, increases potential exposure of immunodeficient children. The immunosuppressed subject is particularly at risk in crowded living conditions because of the spread of these diseases by aerosol droplets or through the oral-fecal route.”
Medical Advisory Committee of the Immune Deficiency Foundation on Recommendations for live viral and bacterial vaccines in immunodeficient patients and their close contacts
Has Kennedy read the protocols from the Immune Deficiency Foundation? They do warn of the risk from intentionally unvaccinated kids!
Has he read the Johns Hopkins Hospital Patient Information Guide, which was updated at least two years ago?
Making parents think that their baby died because of vaccines.
How the Anti-Vax Movement Takes Advantage of SIDS and SUDC Families
Although we have seen folks like Larry Cook do this time and again, it isn’t what is best for these families.
“When a child dies unexpectedly, a family may feel a flood of emotions, including guilt, anger and lack of control. The clinician’s role is to offer stable support, information and compassionate care. In order to provide the most appropriate care for families in these situations, it is necessary to understand the complexities of the grief and trauma response and to recognize that the families’ needs will change over time.”
Caring for the SUDC Family: Medical and Bereavement Information for the Clinicians’ Consideration
What do anti-vax folks offer to these grieving families?
“During an open investigation, do not speculate on the cause of death with the family. Although this may feel supportive, it often undermines the relationship with the Medical Examiner/Coroner who is legally charged with determining cause of death and adds stress for the family when clinicians and the investigating authorities disagree. It is optimal that clinicians and Medical Examiners/Coroners communicate directly for the best interests of the family. “
Caring for the SUDC Family: Medical and Bereavement Information for the Clinicians’ Consideration
They offer an answer…
“Sudden Unexplained Death in Childhood (SUDC) is a category of death in children between the ages of 1 and 18 that remains unexplained after a thorough investigation, including an autopsy.”
Facts About Sudden Unexplained Death in Childhood
Often when answers haven’t been available.
“Dealing with the sudden, unexpected death of a baby to any cause is devastating – but in the case of a death for which no specific cause can be found, the lack of answers about why your baby has died can be overwhelming.”
Surviving the Sudden Death of a Baby
And whether it is Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), Sudden Unexpected Infant Death (SUID), or SUDC, invariably, the “answer” that they offer is that they should blame vaccines.
Has Bobby Kennedy Taken Over the Anti-Vaccine Movement?
What did he have to say?
“It’s a sad day for California. And it’s a sad day for our country. And I have asked a question and I would like to ask this legislature who voted for this God awful bill. If we can give government and big industries the right to inject untested medical products that are zero liability into our children coercively, where does the power of government end? What else can they order us to do? Can they do the same thing that they do in China? Which is to tell people that they have to abort their babies for “the good of society?” Can they euthanize people for “the good of society?” Where is the legal boundary?
It is a sad day when a Kennedy is spouting this kind of stuff…
Vaccines are well tested and everyone has a choice on whether or not to get vaccinated. Mandates to attend school do not force parents to vaccinate their kid.
Comparing these mandates that protect those who can’t be vaccinated to forced abortion and euthanasia is unconscionable.
“We have signed treaty after treaty after treaty saying you can not force an American citizen or any citizen of the civilized world to take a medication or to submit themselves to a medical procedure without informed consent. What has happened to the Democratic party? What has happened to the party that used to stand for listening to women? Why are they listening to pharmaceutical companies and not to the women?
What has happened to the Kennedys?
Again, vaccine mandates do not force anyone to get vaccinated and protected.
“And yet, you have all of the members who voted for this and none of them can answer the question – where is all of the autoimmune diseases coming from? If it’s not the vaccines, then where is it coming from? We have, from my generation, according to HHS, 12% of the people in my generation, prior to 1986, had chronic diseases. Today, 54% did. Let’s pretend all of those hundreds and hundreds of studies aren’t there that say it’s the vaccines.”
Actually, let’s not, because it isn’t true. Although often cited by anti-vaccine folks, the number comes from a 2011 report, A national and state profile of leading health problems and health care quality for US children: key insurance disparities and across-state variations, but doesn’t mean what most people think it means.
“An estimated 43% of US children (32 million) currently have at least 1 of 20 chronic health conditions assessed, increasing to 54.1% when overweight, obesity, or being at risk for developmental delays are included; 19.2% (14.2 million) have conditions resulting in a special health care need, a 1.6 point increase since 2003.”
Bethell et al on A national and state profile of leading health problems and health care quality for US children: key insurance disparities and across-state variations.
Is obesity a vaccine injury?
Where are the “hundreds and hundreds of studies… that say it’s the vaccines?”
“Let’s pretend that all the vaccines, everyone of those diseases, the autoimmune diseases – Guillain-Barré syndrome , cerebral palsy, diabetes, Rheumatoid arthritis. The neurodevelopmental diseases, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette syndrome, ASD, autism. The allergic diseases – allergies, food allergies, eczema, asthma, anaphylaxis. Where can we find those listed? In two places. One in the list of chronic diseases that are now epidemic among American children and on the vaccine inserts. And why would the company put them on the vaccine insert? They put them there because the only way you can sue them under NCVIA is if they know or suspect of an injury being caused by a product and they failed to put it on the insert. So it’s the one place where their honest. For many years they told us, well, just because we put it on the insert, it doesn’t mean that it is actually a vaccine adverse event or caused by the vaccine. But the code of Federal regulations says you can not put it on an insert unless you believe that it’s caused by the vaccine. So they are lying.”
Well, someone is lying…
What goes into a vaccine insert is dictated by the FDA, specifically the Code of Federal Regulations Title 21, and Section 314 of the NCVIA, after consultation with the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines, including:
Warning and Precautions – all adverse reactions and safety hazards that may occur after getting the vaccine and what you should do if they occur
Adverse Reactions – this section includes clinical trials experience, post-marketing experience, and voluntary reports, and it is very important to understand that it is not always possible to establish a causal relationship to vaccination for these adverse effects. So just because something is listed here, whether it is SIDS, autism, drowning, or a car accident, doesn’t mean that it was actually caused by the vaccine. Updated in 2006 to require that only adverse events “for which there is some basis to believe there is a causal relationship between the drug and the occurrence of the adverse event,” it still doesn’t mean the adverse event was definitely caused by the vaccine.
“This state is doing something horrendous. It is stepping between a doctor and the 4000 children in this state whose doctors have told them you can not afford to get a vaccine because it could kill you or it could cripple you. Their doctor, who has known that child often-times since birth, who has reviewed the medical records, who has done all of the tests on that baby, who knows the family, has said it is dangerous to receive this product. Don’t ever do it. And yet, the State of California, is going to come in, a bureaucrat, between that doctor and that child, and say that we are going to give it to him anyway. This is criminal.”
This is probably one of the biggest myths about California’s new vaccine law.
“Big pharmaceutical companies are the most evil companies on earth. Who are commoditizing our children. Who are giving our children this tsunami of chronic disease and then making the money to try and tell us that we are going to get rid of infectious disease, like chickenpox and measles, but we are going to trade that for rheumatoid arthritis and diabetes and autism and ADD and ADHD. And all of those infectious diseases are treatable and curable, usually within a week, and none of the chronic diseases that they are causing are treatable or curable. And they are making $50 billion dollars selling our kids these mandated vaccines that are untested and liability free, but they are making $500 billion a year selling them the epi-pens, the seizure medications, the Prozac, the albuterol inhalers, the rhumatoid arthritis medication, the diabetes medications that our children are now addicted to for life because of these vaccines. ”
“What we have to understand is that the domination of business by government is called communism. The domination of government by business is called facism. And what we’re fighting for is the essential tenets of American democracy, which is free market capitalism, which we don’t have. They destroyed the markets didn’t they. There’s no market for vaccines because they couldn’t sell them, so they had to disable the markets and force us to take them against our will. And for democracy and they’ve taken democracy from us. And they’ve taken the institution of Justice directly. They have gotten rid of the 6th and 7th amendment guarantees. The Federal Constitution guarantees of a jury trials. We are the only people in our country who you can injure – a private corporation can injure and disable and you can’t get a jury trial.”
Except that you can’t usually get a jury trial if you think you have a vaccine injury. The only thing is that you have to go through the Vaccine Court first.